Winvesting trading room is moderated by a inexperienced trader, no understanding of actual economics, no published track record, unwilling to release account statements that verify trading performance. It appears that the Winvesting website is just a lead generating website with no real substance, legitimacy, or track record of turning students into proficient traders.
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Today’s review is Winvesting, a day trading room, moderated by Ted Posobiec
What is Winvesting.com? Winvesting.com is one of two related websites that are registered to, managed and owned by a person named Dan Braun. Both sites are primarily lead funnel websites that are primarily used to market products via email marketing. The websites are relatively new and jumped into the trading educational scene back in 2014. The related sites are Winvesting.com and InvestToSuccess.com.
There’s not any information on Dan Braun. He used to post content on his Invest To Success site, but has since eliminated any mention of his title from both of those sites. Scrubbing his title from the sites, I discovered peculiar and a little unsettling. What’s Dan trying to do? Quite simply, he’s trying to build out traffic creating sites and then plug various trading teachers. A fast look on Archive.org indicates that Dan was one time boosting a day dealer by the name of John Ondercin, but seemingly John Ondercin obtained exposed for being a fraud and his title was immediately scrubbed.
When taking a closer look at the Winvesting website, you will notice that the website is full of ancillary topics that have a fringe relationship to trading. For instance, there is an article about how to talk to your kids about money, another article about leadership qualities, another about Christmas mishaps and how to avoid them. Its all pretty weird how all of these random blog articles are prominently displayed on what would be considered a trading website. My personal opinion is that Dan is hiring freelance, contract writers to write blog articles about various topics relating to personal finance and personal achievement. He is attempting to harness internet traffic related to trading and investing. The end game is to get the prospect into one of the trading rooms, and then attempt to sell the product. Its an odd strategy because people that visit his website are primarily focused on how to trade successfully, and not how to talk to children about money.
Is his visitors strategy working? A fast search using SEM Hurry search analytical’s shows he has only managed to rank approximately ten key words, none associated with his principal item. A number of you reading this may get this information off subject or relevant, but I disagree because the way the trading seller raises awareness and markets his product provides a clue as to the way he sees himself when nobody is searching. Some sellers use incredibly unethical, and use black hat promotional strategies intended to deceive google into traffic. These players may also typically also provide unethical trading solutions. I’ve observed that there’s a tight correlation between suspicious promotional approaches and deceptive trading solutions. Dan is trying an intriguing strategy for certain, his main focus seems on creating an email list to advertise related goods through cross stations. Not especially dishonest, but it surely isn’t working really well.
The Trading Room Experience
There are actually two trading rooms. The Trend Trading Room moderated by Matt Bowen, and the E-mini Insider trading room moderated by Ted Posobeic. Both of these rooms are featured under the “Winners Circle” header and are the featured products for the Winvesting website. It appears that both Matt Bowen and Ted Posobeic are “renting” this section of the Winvesting website. Both are looking to convert the traffic from the live trading room into paying subscribers. Lets now talk about what I discovered inside of the E-mini Insider Trading Room.
Overall, I recorded a total of 10 hours of video for the trading room. The trading room typically lasts 2 hours each day. Everyday Ted Posobeic would enter the room and with a pleasant and simple voice, would start talking about the markets. For the five days that I recorded the live trading sessions, he began the day just sort of saying hello to everyone and then he would start shuffling through his Ninja charts. It was all pretty random. He didn’t appear to have much of a plan for the day. He is the very opposite of a fast talking hustler. As nice and simple as a person he seems, he also seemed a little too simple, maybe even a bit slow intellectually. It became evident to me relatively quickly that Ted is certainly not a seasoned market pro. If a person asked him a question about a pending economic report that had a market moving potential, he would have to quickly jump to Forex Factory and find out what the person was asking about. I did a bit of research on Ted Posobeic, and it appears that up until a couple of years ago, he worked on an oil rig. Tough, gritty work for hard men. Again, not a bad guy or a fast talker. But he seems a little bit lost, or out of his league. I have spent hundreds of hours watching trading room moderators, and I can spot the sharpies pretty quick. Ted is not one.
No Performance Disclosure
One of the things I found annoying about Ted Posobeic and WinInvesting is that there is no performance disclosure. I love to see a spreadsheet of trades, most often the spreadsheet is pure nonsense. But I still like to see one because it gives me something extra to scrutinize. Since there was no performance disclosure, all I had to go on was sitting and watching the tape of each days trading session. Once again, I sat through a complete week of trading and recorded a bit over 10 hours of live trading.
The Real Performance
There pretty much is not any actual outcomes. On a few days, for some reason, Ted would exchange on his dwell Ninja account. But just as likely he’d change to SIM and start calling transactions within the monitor. Other timeshe would not even utilize the SIM, he’d only say what he was likely to perform. Nevertheless, the important takeaway is that he actually had no strategy because of his trading, irrespective of if he had been trading actual, SIM, or voice control. He was a man with no strategy. Sometimes I felt somewhat sorry for him since the market would begin moving quickly and he was just like a deer staring in a headlamp. 1 second he’d state he was heading long and also make no reference of a halt or gain goal, and then a couple of seconds later he’d state that the marketplace is making him dizzy and he needed to escape. The whole week which I watched him commerce, I could not help but feel as though I had been watching a comprehensive newbie battle through this adventure of trying to exchange, while be a creative orator and maintaining the trading area crowd participated.
Let there be no mistake. Talking for two hours in a trading room is certainly not easy. Its public speaking. And Ted is no public speaker. He is a sort of shy, blue collar sort of dude. Not a bad guy. But certainly not the leader of a trading room, attempting to guide the audience to a daily profit. He is more than likely just a guy with a few thousand dollars in a trading account, like the rest of us, attempting to turn a little bit of money into a big pile of money. Its probably been a little more difficult than planned, and thought he would give this trading guru/trading room thingy a try.
Of course, I want to give Ted the benefit of the doubt because he is no “Great Communicator” or George Soros. I thought that perhaps if he can show me some account statements then this would be the lemons I would use the to make the lemonade. However, my requests to verify real trades with account statements were simply ignored. The silence from Ted was the clincher.
Another thing….when Ted is trading with a live, real money account, he is only trading a single lot. And his trades were always for just a few ticks. I have seen enough of these trading rooms to know that Ted is not making any sort of real money with this trading gig. A few ticks here and there is not what most of us are after. We are looking for a full time income, not an extra $50 a week. Ted is definitely playing small ball.
For those of you that are curious what a typical trade from Ted looks like, I snipped out a trade from my 10 hour video archive. Its a winning trade! But that is not what is important, what is important is how he executes the trade for the audience. You really should watch it, and then ask yourself it this is something that you can execute yourself.
Wrapping Things Up
I must have spent half of this review just talking about the promotional aspect of how these trading rooms are marketed and sold on the internet. In many ways, the marketing and hustling of traffic is more interesting than the actual trading products. I think many of you would be surprised to learn that there are professional internet marketers that move from trader to trader. They promote a guy on the internet and then they blow up his reputation, and then they move onto the next guy and blow up the next guys reputation. All the while, the customers are never aware of the hand that is moving the string. I am now spending a great deal more time watching the promoters, as well as the trading room vendors.
That’s if for today. Another crummy trading room. But at least you didn’t have to spend a week in this trading room to discover that its a worthless waste of time. You got to read this poorly written, 15 minute article instead, and save yourself a bit of frustration.
I know a lot of you are frustrated that I have not found more and better, verified vendors in a shorter period of time. But the truth is that there are simply not that many to be had. Sorry to be such a bummer tonight. Don’t forget to leave your comments below. Even the haters will find that their voices are heard.